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24 March 2013 @ 02:37 pm
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I have a few meta things I posted on tumblr this week that I'm going to repost here!

Regina and Henry - Their relationship as of Welcome to Storybrooke

This season I’ve been lulled into thinking that Regina would NEVER harm Henry directly. That was the one line she would not cross. Indirectly, sure. But it’s not like killing his whole family so that she is the only one in his life again would cause him long term psychological damage, right?

After Welcome to Storybrooke I don’t think there is a line. Right now she has a long way to go before I’d consider letting her near Henry. I don’t care how well balanced the meals she’d feed him would be. It takes a lot more than french fries and pop tarts to make a bad mother and a lot more than vegetables to make a good one.

*sigh* I still hope she can find a way to stop repeating her mistakes and learn. But I’m not willing to risk Henry’s safety in the process.

The Library in Welcome to Storybrooke

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The library’s beneath the clock tower. You closed it, remember? When you still had power. - Mr. Gold/We Are Both

Not much to say to that except hmmmm. The library was always closed but everyone remembers Regina closing it. When she had power.

Geppetto Putting Pinocchio in the Wardrobe

I’ve been thinking about Geppetto’s decision to put Pinocchio in the wardrobe versus Snow&Charming’s decision to do the same with Emma.

We can talk about how Geppetto is a father and he loves his child and how understandable it is to want to save him. Yep, I understand this. I am a mother and of course I would want to save my child! How could I not want that?


This isn’t about saving your own child. Or about which child is more worthy of saving. This about saving an entire world. They didn’t save her from the curse because she was a princess. They put her in the wardrobe because they had no other choice.

No jokes about sending their child to Maine in a box can change that this was a selfless act. A sacrifice made in hope that she would save everyone since without her there was no hope. Ever.

And what Geppetto did? Completely and totally selfish. Especially when he knew a newborn infant - the only chance of anyone in a whole world being saved from the curse - would therefore be sent through without any adult to help her.

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daybreak777: Oncedaybreak777 on March 24th, 2013 06:56 pm (UTC)
You think that Regina would harm him? Not deliberately? But she's her mother's daughter. Cora never caused Regina physical harm. But she killed Daniel. Made Regina marry the king. Regina could definitely cause Henry serious psychological harm. How else does she know how to be a mother?

But she does have a heart, thankfully. She stopped herself from cursing him in the last ep. She's different than with Owen. Not that different but still a difference.

I'm actually more worried about Henry's other family. He really, really needs all of them to be better than Regina. I remember him standing between them and Regina and it would seriously harm him if either of his family was hurt or killed by the other side. And making him continually be torn between them isn't great for him, either. He's like a child in a bitter, bitter divorce. But with magic!

Yep, Geppeto was pretty selfish. And it was so unfair to lay watching over Emma on such a young child. It reminds me a bit of Rumpel letting Bae go. These children where going . . . where? The parents didn't know. Emma had the power to save them so okay, that makes a bit more sense. But Pinnchio-August? What changed mainly for him was to be separated from his dad. But honestly, Geppeto in the fairy tale wasn't exactly selfless so I guess it's consistent? I remember that tale less now that I'm older, but making yourself a child out of wood is a pretty desperate and not selfless act.

Where the heck is August? Season is nearly over!
Chloris: Once Upon Snow&Regina Applechloris on March 26th, 2013 02:22 am (UTC)
I do think she would harm him! She has already gotten to point where she is willing to destroy his mind to have him, the next step is to decide if she can't have him no one can. As for Cora, she was living through Regina. Killing Regina would make that a little difficult! (She talks about that explicitly in Stable Boy - Regina tells Cora her life is her own and Cora laughs and says NOPE it's mine.)

However, she does love him unlike with Owen. So I hope she can grow into a more healthy love.

As for Henry getting caught in between, I'm quite certain the Charmings would be HAPPY to stop fighting back if Regina would stop trying to kill them. Let's remember that Snow killed Cora because Cora was going to become the Dark One and kill them all! Every time they have fought against Regina it is because Regina was attacking them. It may not be great for Henry but it is worse for them to passively accept anything Regina wants to do to them.

The difference between Rumpel and Geppetto was that Geppetto schemed to send Pinocchio and Rumpel very much thought the whole bean thing was a VERY BAD IDEA. So he didn't send Bae but got scared when Bae jumped in on his own initiative.

And now you know where August was! I knew this was his episode but didn't want to say anything. :)
daybreak777: pocket squares!daybreak777 on March 26th, 2013 02:44 am (UTC)
The beans were a bad idea, but then so was Rumpel permanently injuring an important limb. Mistakes were made. I forgive Bae and Rumpel for that. Well, mostly Bae. But Rumpel too. In my opinion, both parents had a choice to stay with their child no matter how potentially hazardous the situation and they both chose not to. That's hard for a kid to get past.

Not Pinnochio, though, now! He doesn't carry that angst anymore.

Thanks for not spoiling me. I was so amused when I saw August in the first frame. :-) Now I'm looking for Mulan and Aurora. Goodness, it's hard to keep track of all of them! And hiatuses don't help with that!
Maia: First Shootsgreen_maia on March 25th, 2013 12:42 am (UTC)
I've watched up through "Child of the Moon" (which I LOVE) now.

August/Pinocchio convincing Neal to leave Emma (and set her up to take the rap for their crimes!) "for her own good" in "Tallahassee" upset me a LOT. I am still very upset about it, and it has, for a while at least, completely ended my sympathy for August/Pinocchio.

Except...I do think that what Geppetto did was terrible, not just for the world (and it was terrible for the world, as you say) - but for Pinocchio. What a terrible, terrible burden to put on a 7-year-old. No wonder August/Pinocchio sees responsibility as something bitter and isolating. No wonder he assumes that there are only two choices: shouldering responsibility completely alone, with no love and no support from anyone - or else running away from it. No wonder he doesn't see any possibility that connection and responsibility can go together.

But I still have a hard time forgiving him...especially since I didn't feel like the show made it sufficiently clear that this was WRONG. It upsets me a lot more when something that I think is appalling is portrayed as necessary or justified...I'm not sure that the show was going for portraying as necessary or justified, but that it could be interpreted that way upset me a LOT.
ustas_fish: Rumpel_wheeljust_ustas on March 25th, 2013 06:05 am (UTC)
sometime we forgetting they all are fairy tale personages. in nature pinocchio - to lie to everyone. and he always doing exactly this. but what happened to his good intentions and his kind heart? he was absolutely cruel to mr.gold (with his vain hope of redemption with his son), and also emma and bae. what a special purpose was to hart them?
Chloris: Once Upon Emma youngchloris on March 26th, 2013 02:29 am (UTC)
I'm glad you are still enjoying the show! Just stay out of the fandom. I keep things happy here but the fandom as a whole is a pack of rabid sharks.

August upset me a great deal as well. He caused all kinds of pain and manipulated Emma for his own gain and then stole all the money Neal left for her!

No wonder he doesn't see any possibility that connection and responsibility can go together.

That is quite a good point! By putting him through the wardrobe Geppetto may have set Pinocchio up to fail for his entire life. He had only been human for a short while and began with an uphill struggle to resist temptation. How much harder when he has no direction?

The show -may- be trying for justified there. Fate and destiny. For all we know a seer may have seen that she must go to jail or she won't go to Storybrooke. I'll never like it though.

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Firsa Asahiasahifirsa on March 26th, 2013 05:21 pm (UTC)
I'm really sad about August forgetting everything and turning back into a child. Sure, he's happier that way for sure, as is his father, but all the progress August made as a person is gone, wiped out completely. And I liked him as love interest for Emma.
Chloris: Once Upon Emma eyes closedchloris on March 27th, 2013 03:46 am (UTC)
Yeah. August is dead basically. He'll get to grow up again and become a new person but I guess that is price he had to pay for being a selfish, cowardly liar for so many years.