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15 February 2013 @ 06:04 pm
Once Upon a Time Review - Tiny  
Oh look, I have finally finished my review for Tiny! \o/ Now I can spend the next couple of days focusing on my increasing excitement for Manhattan.

This episode reminded me A LOT of Dreamy. And that was even before Tiny was inducted as an honorary dwarf. *g* We have a non-human race. An episode, at least partially, focused on world building as opposed to plot. (As with the dwarfs it's interesting to know more about giants but not terribly pertinent at the moment.) And an episode which is mostly filler. Which is to say that it was an okay episode but not going to make my top 10 of the season.

However, as with Dreamy, the show seems to be giving us a focus on FTL's seamy underbelly. We've seen it in many small ways throughout the series: 14-year-old's being drafted, arranged marriages, old kings snagging up young brides, the complete shock that Cinderella could better herself, and any number of other plot points, but I think that the stories of Grumpy and Tiny show it even more clearly. (I would like to note that, yes, all these things would be fairly normal if we go back to the middle ages. However, FTL is NOT our middle ages. It is a completely different world not bound by our rules or our past.)

Dwarves are so definitely a slave race that it could not be any more obvious to me. They are born - hatched - to work! They almost never leave the mines! They are not even considered capable of True Love! For that matter they are all male - so no distractions! And now we have Giants. Not a slave race but instead a peaceful, vegetarian race which has hidden itself from humans out of self-preservation. It turns out they were exactly right to hide since the moment they became known humans came and committed genocide.

There is something rotten in FTL and I would not be surprised if the curse has purposes beyond Rumpelstiltskin's interests. In fact I would be surprised if it didn't. Just look at the scene with Tiny in the diner. We have werewolves, dwarves, a giant, and humans all together. There are certainly other ways to get to our world (among other ways we now know the giants had continued to grow the beans - all Rumpel needed was a desperate giant with one bean), so why the curse? It's as though other avenues were deliberately closed off against him. Someone wanted that curse even more than Rumpel did.

Moving onto the plot moving parts of the episode, I'll start with Regina. After the episode aired there were many theories running about that this was really Cora. (In fact those theories started before the episode, based on promos.) It was confirmed in the podcast that this WAS Regina. However, I can see where those theories come from. This is not Evil Queen Regina or Mayor Regina or Trying to Be Good Regina. Or any other forms of Regina we are familiar with. This Regina is still torn. She is not sure who she is anymore or who she wants to be. A deep, strongly held part of herself wants to be Cora's daughter and have her approval. But there is also another strong part of herself who loves Henry and wants to be his mother. Though there are plot reasons to separate them now (first the murder accusation and then Regina still missing when Emma had to leave town), this is also important for character reasons. If Henry was there in front of her, she would not be going down this dark path again. Right now it's easy. She is angry at the Charmings. Her mother is right with her whispering encouragement. And Henry is out of town. All too much for her fledgling course of abstinence. The interesting part of this story will happen when he comes back. Just as her quest for redemption is very fragile and now, his ability to trust that she wishes to be a good person is also fragile.

And then there is Rumpel. The man only had a few minutes in the episode and he nearly killed me from the sheer amount of anxiety flowing off of him. This is what he has been moving towards for centuries! But it's easier to plan and plan and keep one's power around one while never finishing than it is to move forward into uncertainty. Into a strange, new world which he may have curse implanted knowledge of but which he has never actually experienced. It was one thing to remain at the middle of his web knowing that magic was on its way last season and quite another to leave magic behind to confront a son who is likely to be none too happy to see him. It is not surprising that he had a panic attack about it!

• I know Jack was killed in the episode and we saw her bones later in the timeline (with Emma), but I hope they go back to her adventure with the Jabberwock some time. There is more story to tell in Wonderland.

• Okay, I know they had not gotten much sleep before bringing Hook out to his ship, but still, they manage to lose both Hook and Tiny within a few minutes stepping on board.

• I do ♥ Grumpy's snark. The conversation they had about Charming's name while running from the giant was too funny!

• And...the answer is David. Yep, completely obvious actually. It is only a surprise since no one else kept their birth names. A shepherd whose mother's name is Ruth? Got to be named David!

• What is going on with Belle?? Having her chain sedated and lied to is how they are going to 'take care of her' while Gold is gone? For that matter, she completely physically healthy! Why wasn't Red there to check her out and bring her to the inn or her apartment or anywhere but the hospital? She doesn't even really have amnesia!

• I'm rather wondering if this Belle can read. Or if she even has a name. She hasn't declared one yet (which is the common reaction to having people call you the wrong name) and she seemed to throw the book aside in frustration.

• I've been thinking about why (within the story) Gold would drive to Logan and then fly to NYC instead of flying out of Portland or driving to NYC. And Boston was THE city in the curse. Any time anyone had to reference the outside it was always Boston. Gold may remember who he is now but he knowledge of our world is still curse driven.

• I think we had better hope this excursion to NYC doesn't take long. If Gold can't take the shawl off, how is he going to shower? No, I certainly wasn't considering the matter...

• It's nice to FINALLY get some in-show confirmation that Gold does indeed have curse memories. I think it's been made clear this season already (him staring at the town line, smashing things when he found out, and needing a potion all seem to indicate curse memories) but sometimes people need things stated outright.

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aleysiasnape: dh5aleysiasnape on February 15th, 2013 11:59 pm (UTC)
I am so looking forward to this episode coming up! We get to see more Gold. And I'm wondering what Hook, Regina and Cora will do with Rumpel's dagger? And how in the world did they find it?

I loved how they did Tiny's story too. And that he was curious about the humans. But didn't realize that they were just out to get the giant's gold. Well James and Jack. I was surprised about Jack! I had to rewatch this episode twice.

Also the scene where Rumpel got onto the airplane. I thought he was going to have a fit, when he had to place his scarf in the box. Which leaves me wondering does he still have both memories?
Chloris: Once Upon Mr. Gold swirlschloris on February 16th, 2013 04:02 am (UTC)
Oh, there is going to be SO MUCH GOLD in the next episode. It will be glorious!

I can completely understand why Tiny was so bitter about humans. I'm glad he met some good ones this time. And that the dwarfs have taken him under their wing. He needs a place to belong.

Yes, he has all his memories as far as we know. He still knows who he is and who he is looking for. But clearly being parted from the shawl for very long is a bad idea! No idea how long his memory with stay with him if he takes it off. A few minutes, yes. More than that, maybe not.
rodloxrodlox on April 27th, 2013 06:42 am (UTC)
>I'm glad he met some good ones this time.
ditto.
though what makes me nervous is that Anton|Tiny no doubt remembers that James was also nice to him in the beginning.
daybreak777: snow white appledaybreak777 on February 16th, 2013 03:42 am (UTC)
I like the moments when Emma helped to calm Rumpel. He really is out of his depth without magic and there was no reason for her to be kind to him. She's fulfilling her end of a deal, that's all. But she is kind. I thought he'd lose it going through the metal detector. I really felt bad for him.

Something is not right class-wise with FTL. Grumpy was very bitter, esp. at the end saying how Charming could never be a dwarf. Charming wasn't born a prince really, so why not? He was a farm boy, wasn't he? Grumpy was saying something, though I don't understand it all right now.

I am starting to think of Regina as having dissociative identity disorder. All these parts of herself have to be reintegrated somehow or she'll truly fracture and for good. I still think she could be playing Cora, or more probably she's wavering on either side. She herself doesn't know where her loyalty lies. Which is good. She needs to do this for more than Henry. For herself. Only she can decide who she wants to be now.

Belle can't read!? Wow. Maybe she can't. I was disturbed by the sedation myself but she does seem given to hysterics. She was imprisoned for so long I see no reason for her to be kept captive again, but she does seem to lose it even when someone as benign as Red shows friendliness. charming wasn't like that when he didn't have his memory and neither is that dwarf without his memory. (Why isn't that guy sedated or flipping out when the dwarfs talk to him, you know?) It's natural for friends to want to visit and try to jog your memory. At least I think so.

That guy driving the car smells fishy to me . . . They ought to keep an eye on that guy.

Next week is reunion time, I think! I hope we locate Cora. I did think Regina might be her and now I'll think anyone is her until they find her. It's like the BSG 'who is a Cylon' thing all over again. Could be anyone!

Chloris: Once Upon Belle in goldchloris on February 16th, 2013 03:58 am (UTC)
Emma is very warm and kind person. She has had big walls up for a long time but I think part of that is because she cares so much and caring hurt for a long time. It's nice to see her opening up and connecting with others. As for Gold, she doesn't trust him really but I think she feels a connection to him. Maybe she understands him in a way since he has huge walls too.

Hmmm. I didn't think Grumpy was bitter myself. It felt more like he and Tiny were both from non-human races, races that value work and labor, and also that he knew Tiny needed family - something the dwarfs could provide. Charming doesn't need a place to belong so he doesn't get an axe. However, I certainly agree that there are some serious class issues in FTL!

I'm looking forward to the next few episodes and Regina's scenes in them. I'm trying to figure her out and get an idea of who she is now but we didn't have enough in this episode.

I have no idea if not!Belle can read or not but she was not at all interested in the book which makes me wonder. And let's remember that she DOES NOT have amnesia. She is not like Charming as John Doe. She is Charming as David Nolan. She is living her curse memories right now and they say she was locked in a box for who knows how long and then *poof* she was in the middle of a street bleeding while a strange man held a fire ball and called her Belle. And Sneezy doesn't have amnesia either - he remembers all his life perfectly, as the owner of a pharmacy named Clark. He simply doesn't remember being Sneezy which is a different issue. And, as for not!Belle flipping out, she didn't get upset until Red lied to her and the nurse came to inject her. She was objecting to being lied to and forcibly sedated. I'd flip out too if I was treated like that.
daybreak777: Kara Thracedaybreak777 on February 16th, 2013 12:38 pm (UTC)
I have to admit that I don't rewatch the eps so I don't remember exactly when Belle flipped out. But if I figured that I was going to keep getting sedated I'd pull a Starbuck, keep quiet, and play along. Obviously, these people are trying to hide something and I'm involved.

Interesting about 'curse memories'. I don't remember who they all were then and what their thoughts where. I guess Belle, (if she was Belle then) only remembers being locked away. Not pleasant for her but again if you have a chance to be free . . . but good point about who exactly did she think she was during that time? Not sure where the writers are going with this Belle.

I agree about Charming not necessarily needing a place to belong, but I don't know. He isn't really a stranger to manual labor, either. Grumpy was really setting Charming apart, but Charming isn't James. I'm not always sure who he is sometimes. They need to flesh him out more as he just becomes the guy in charge and the former prince sometimes, but that's not always who he was. I liked of liked farm!David and he was that person for most of his life in FTL.
Chloris: Once Upon Belle hoodchloris on February 16th, 2013 09:08 pm (UTC)
I very much hope we find out at something about who this woman is. She is not Belle but we can't define her by what she is not. So far we are talking less than a day since she lost her FTL memories so we will see if she starts to figure anything out once she has a chance to adjust.

I felt it was more a non-human versus human thing and not directed at Charming particularly. Also the dwarfs basically adopted Tiny so it does make sense for them to gift him with an axe. What I want to know is where the axe supply is being kept! They had plenty back in FTL but magic is different and the world is different here.
rodlox: going to hugrodlox on April 27th, 2013 06:45 am (UTC)
>there was no reason for her to be kind to him. She's fulfilling her end of a deal, that's all. But she is kind.
if Rumplestiltskin had impaled that guy with his cane, Emma wouldn't be able to uphold her end of the deal.

> at the end saying how Charming could never be a dwarf.
Probably a retort to Charming's claim of "I did my time in the mines." (a week? to the dwarves and giants there, that's probably the blink of an eye)
ustas_fish: Rumpel_wheeljust_ustas on February 16th, 2013 08:46 am (UTC)
khm... one question about not!Belle - if she has her curse memories - so she also has memories about strange man jefferson who said: "find mr.gold, he will protect you"... then memories about this strange mr.gold which was so glad to meet her... etc. so this man with fireball wasn't complete stranger to her. but not!Belle acting like total moron who knows absolutely nothing. actually sneezy wasn't so bad. so question is what is going on with belle?!

wish to know how they'll play regina from there. right before cora she made huge progress to humanity (or maybe to her own old good person before rumpel) and to new connection with henry. why to destroy this so easy? after one talk with cora? think regina more strong minded then this.

tiny. he is too naive back in time and even now. he is a big child and needs family to take care of him.

love hook's line. maybe he is not my most loving hero but he is interesting. no one able to predict where he'll go and with whom.

and my most loving mr.gold. :) his personality was so huge in this episode - only long after i understood he only had few moments here.)))) so what be rumpel centric episode? can't wait for this!

an interesting theory about original of the curse. i think it has sence.

Edited at 2013-02-16 10:31 am (UTC)
Chloris: Once Upon Mr. Gold Orange Swirly Tiechloris on February 17th, 2013 12:20 am (UTC)
Maybe she doesn't! She doesn't seem to have those memories. If the town line resets people to 'factory conditions' (ie knowing only what they knew when the curse was first cast - so cursed Gold wouldn't know Emma or Henry, cursed Mary Margaret would have no idea about David Nolan) then Belle would have no memory of ever leaving her cell.

I think with Regina we just have to go along for the ride. I'm not sure if they are going for a complete fall off the wagon or if Regina is trying to play everyone right now.

Yeah, Tiny is naive. But now has some new brothers who will look out for him. *pats him*

Hook is an interesting character. He is all masks and misdirection. Half of what he does is to keep people off balance and the other half is to obscure what he really wants.

Gold definitely filled up more space in the episode than he got in minutes! Rumpel-centric is coming up tomorrow. \o/ So excited.
~Lirpa~: Once Upon a Time: Mr Goldkatje0711 on February 16th, 2013 07:02 pm (UTC)
I love that Tiny was made an honorary dwarf!

The way I saw Regina is this ep was her throwing away all the redemption she'd worked so hard to achieve. I think the longer she goes down this path the harder it will be for her to redeem herself again. I think when Henry finds out it'll be even harder for him to forgive her again.

It was sad seeing Rumpel freaking out. So, did he just leave magic behind when he left Storybrooke, rather than losing it when he left?

I love that Jack was a female, even if she was despicable!

I don't like how they are dealing with Belle, either. I'm sorry, but you don't sedate someone every single time they get upset. Damn, I can certainly vouch for that after work last night! Maybe if they would've tried talking to her like a human being first! And does she not have a name she remembers as her SB name?

I was wondering the same thing about Gold showering! LOL However, he already took the shawl off and is fine. Relatively speaking, of course. Then again, he was acting so strange since taking it off, I wonder if maybe it affected him and we just haven't discovered it yet.
Chloris: Once Upon Mr. Gold Red Swirlchloris on February 17th, 2013 12:32 am (UTC)
I loved that too. It was perfect for him. He needs a place and a family again and the dwarfs share a similar family structure (all brothers) and work ethic.

It does seem as though she is throwing it away. But she also knows to never cross Cora so there is a possibility she hasn't quite gone back to the dark side. If she has though, how can Henry trust her?

As far as I can tell magic doesn't work outside of Storybrooke and Gold knew this. (He crossed back over the town line to make his fireball.) But knowing it and KNOWING it are too different things. Especially as a strange man in a strange land.

I enjoyed the twist of the female Jack as well. And I hope they will bring her back at some point. Maybe with Jefferson in Wonderland. That would be fun. :)

What they are doing with Belle now is making me cringe. I truly hope this has some plot significance and it isn't just because they don't know what to do with her. As for the name, her cell in the secret hospital had no name tag. Maybe she doesn't have a name and the curse made sure she never thought about it enough to wonder.

Heh. I guess he'll take very quick showers with one hand on the shawl. I doubt we'll ever find out on the show. This is when we need some fanfic! And maybe it did affect him to take it off but maybe it just brought home to him how much in danger he is on this trip.
DSdragonstarlin on February 22nd, 2013 04:14 am (UTC)
We have similar takes on this! I go in circles with some people about Regina right now, and you're take echoes what I've been saying.

However you are kinder to Henry. His belief in her is fragile, but you think with all his other insights, he (or one of the freaking adults), could realize, oh, hey, removing Henry while Cora is about without telling Regina could be a bad idea. Especially coming off of her frame up.... IF Regina was involved and agreed for his own protection at least some reinforcement there. If Henry even mentioned once something about her, could be better, but he flip flops. I know he's a kid...but some point got to learn, I'm afraid everyone will shield him from that and inhibit him from starting to think critically on his own action/consquence potential. Also, when you demand trust/faith, but give none...bad things (better) be coming.

Loved the Rumple scenes, so spot on.

Edited at 2013-02-22 04:16 am (UTC)
Chloris: Once Upon Emma Warrior Princesschloris on February 23rd, 2013 05:16 am (UTC)
As far as leaving town then - they had NO CHOICE. Rumpelstiltskin doesn't kid when he tells people he will kill them nor does he take deal breaking very well. It was leave when Rumpel said to or have a very angry sorcerer on their hands. Regina was still in hiding at this point and though Cora found her easily that is just because Regina let her in. I doubt Regina would have let Red or Charming in.

So Emma had no choice and I completely understand her not wanting Henry out of her sight with Cora around. Let's not forget that Snow and Charming couldn't keep track of a limping Hook for five minutes.
DSdragonstarlin on February 23rd, 2013 03:54 pm (UTC)
I completely understand Emma not wanting to let him out of her sight and the ultimate action of going would be fine if it played that way. Snow's comment is revealing Regina wasn't even a consideration in that regard. Henry particularly is just completely excited about a trip while his mom thinks everyone thinks she killed Archie. They/he could have shown an ounce of consideration even if yes, HAD to ultimately go, that lack is what I find unacceptable more than the trip itself. Maybe we'll find out later thoughts unseen, but not seeing them, deliberate choices in developments of the characters that make me despise them now and that's hard to undue, flashbacks, reveal, they come up against already internalized impressions-takes more to alter and my trust factor in this arena is low.
Chloris: Once Upon Regina blue dresschloris on February 25th, 2013 04:03 pm (UTC)
I consider Snow's comment to be Snow's opinion on the matter NOT Emma's. Emma has consistently shown that she is willing to work with Regina and has only taken physical custody of Henry in response to Regina's actions. (such as nearly killing him) As for Snow, I can't really blame her for wanting to reject Regina and claim Henry as her own family considering that Regina has made it her life's work to destroy Snow's life.

Basically, I love Regina and want her to have her happy ending and become a better person but I don't have nearly as much sympathy for her as some.
rodlox: what??rodlox on April 27th, 2013 06:41 am (UTC)
>We have werewolves, dwarves, a giant, and humans all together.
Grumpy was puzzling to me in this episode. he's previously gone on record as being against people being able to walk into Storybrooke and see werewolves, dwarves, etc. (how did he know Greg wasn't about to walk into Grannies when Leroy was talking?)

...and now Grumpy|Leroy is helping plant a forest of magic beans? did he change his mind, or is this a case of "hoping to get it done, then go home and pull the door in after him"?
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